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Boostib kuskil 0,5-0,7Bar... selline tavaline on 0,55-0,6bar ja boostib päris madalalt juba ja hoiab kenasti kuskile 5500rpm'ini, siis hakkab langema. No mina seda chippinud ei ole ja mitte ükski asi ei viita sellele, et oleks chipitud. Samuti kiiruse piirik on 250km/h... testitud :D

Boosti järgi on jah täitsa stock soft. Imelik. Kas sul on ülemised katid ka minema visatud?
Peab vist ikka ise ka dünos ära käima.


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Tsitaat:
Algselt postitas: rmmBoosti järgi on jah täitsa stock soft. Imelik. Kas sul on ülemised katid ka minema visatud?
Peab vist ikka ise ka dünos ära käima.


Mul kõik katid ja pütid minema visatud, viimase püti lõikasin ka lahti ja tegin seest tühjaks - tulemuseks oli viimase puhul vaid see, et vaiksemaks läks ja paukumine kadus ära :(


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Ma eeldan, et sellest autost olete te teadlikud..

http://www.mrctuning.com/images/stories/gallery/buttons/mrcdcars.jpg


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Kui juba RS4 ja S4 ja igatepidi võrdlemiseks läks...

Sisselaske "ämbliku" küljepealt võrdlus - http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/IMG00228.jpg

Sisselaske "ämbliku" ava võrdlus - http://funksoulkitty.org/engineandtranny/AWP/aebcomparison/AWP%20AEB%20intake%20manifolds%20544.jpg

Intercoolerite võrdlus - http://www.jaybquick.com/Pictures/01Audi/01_AudiIntercoolers.jpg


AWE intercoolerite võrdlus - http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/products/awe/intercoolers/final_with_text.jpg ja siiajuurde foorumi link: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4034531

Porditud sisselaske kanalid - http://scch-heads.com/images/heads/20v%20aeb%20intake.jpg

RS4 ja RS6 turbode võrdlus - http://www.jhmotorsports.com/products/pictures/RS6turbos/JHM_RS6_vs_RS4_k04s_Web.jpg


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515bhp & 505lb/ft

Mihneas S4
* Ported, polished and clearanced K04s with 0.7 Bar actuators
* Custom tubular exhaust manifolds ceramic coated
* Custom turbo intake pipes in 2.5" diameter, tapering to slide fit on the compressor inlets
* Custom compression dropping Headgaskets from (8.2:1 CR)
* 2001.5 intake manifold (no mods)
* APR Bi-pipe
* N249 delete
* RS4 MAF and Y-pipe
* Custom dual 2.75" exhaust from turbos back, no cats and one silencer
* Bosch motorsport 044 special 10 Bar fuel pump
* 728cc/min injectors at 4 Bar rail pressure
* FMIC and custom IC piping
* Custom MRC Remap
* Custom aluminium flywheel and Sachs race sintered metal 4 puck clutch kit.
* RS6 EGT Sensors


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Viskasin huvi pärast Wetteraueri lehelt mõned graafikud pealekuti:
1. RS4 vs S4 kw;
2. RS4 vs S4 nm;
3. RS6 vs RS4 kw;
4. RS6 vs RS4 nm.

EDIT: Mille järgi ütleks, et chipitud S4 on kuni 4300-4400 pöördeni stock RS4-st üle nii jõu kui väände poolest. Samas chipituna on RS4 S4-st igast asendist üle ja kes neid masinaid stock softiga väga tarbibki.


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Dominique, AKA "Guruman", B5 S4 w/GT28RS Turbos

"Guruman", as he's known on the forums, is a serious competitor. To his credit, against the doubts of many, he's set out to build one of the fastest B5 S4's in the world, and has accomplished his goal. He's run a slew of 10-second times with even faster to come, stay tuned for Dom's

Shortblock:
2.7 bored and stroked to 3.01L
034Motorsport forged rods
JE 9.o:1 custom forged pistons
Eurospec crank girdle
ARPmain studs
034 Coated Main and Rod Bearings
All machined by a Nascar engine builder.

Heads
2.8 heads, ported and polished
2.8 NA cams
Supertech valve springs and retainers
Supertech valves, inconel
Raceware headstuds
2.8l Head gaskets
RS4 intake Manifold
034 Phenolic spacers
034Motorsport DBC Conversioin

Turbochargers
Agtronic Motorsport gt28rs kit
Agtronic Motorsport 3 inch V banded downpipes
Tial 44mm external wastegates

Intercooler
Vibrant 875 biggest intercooller
Agtronic Motorsport 3 inch alu piping
Tial 50mm BOV

034motorport IIc standalone with Plug in Harness
Innovate twin bank widebands
Fully functionnal S4 dash cluster

Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump
-8an feed line
-6an return line...
Summit racing fuel cell


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S4 Tuning / S4 Buying Guide

This tuning guide is based on the B5 S4 with the 2.7litre twin turbo motor. These cars can be now picked up for between 3 to approx 8000GBP, which, given the fact that its engine is based on the humongously more expensive RS4, makes the S4 a bit of a bargain. The S4's 2.7litre turbo can be tuned to over 500bhp on standard engine internals making it possibly one of the cheapest 500bhp cars you can buy. Here's how to get an S4 to the magic 500bhp mark.


S4 Tuning - Brakes

The standard S4 brakes could be better. They fade after just one big stop. This can be largely sorted with the use of some high quality performance brake pads. If this still isn't enough for you the next step is to increase the diameter of the brake discs. There are a number of ways of doing this and all methods require upgrading the wheels from 17s to 18s. HiSpec make a kit for 1500quid and this should be up to the most extreme track use. There is also an option of fitting the B7 RS4 brakes which use 8pot Brembo calipers. Speak to MRC for more details.

For the rear brakes a easy option is to get S8 caliper brackets which gives the ability to fit S8 discs. Calipers are extremely long lasting with the only really problem coming from the ABS electronics. The ABS circuit board can be reconditioned for a few hundred quid but if you want to replace the complete module this will set you back about a grand.


S4 Tuning - Suspension

S4s with over 60-70 thousand miles ask if the front suspension arms have been replaced. There are 8 in total, 4 each side and when the ball joints wear out you have to buy a complete arm. The full set will cost around 600GBP. Any rattling over bumps is most likely the anti roll bar links which are much cheaper. Springs and dampers can last for a 150000miles.

One of the most cost effective improvements that can be made is H&R anti roll bars. The ride comfort stays the same but the car corners flatter and they give the S4 a more neutral balance.

For track days a coil over kit is the way to go, Bilstein and H&R both make a kit for the S4.


S4 Tuning - Engine

The 2.7l V6 Twin Turbo motor comes with 265bhp as standard. To get over 300bhp a simple remap to up the boost from 0.5-0.7 to 0.9-1.2bar, MRC can do this for you for 400GBP. Combine the remap with a performance exhaust system and larger, second-hand RS4 intercoolers and the motor will be making around 330bhp. The pre cats can be removed and the car will still pass the MOT. Milltek, Supersprint and Scorpion make exhausts for the S4.

340bhp is about the limit of the standard K03 blowers. The next step up the turbo ladder is the K04 turbo. They are nearly the same price as the K03 turbos so its a no brainer upgrade. The K04 can supply enough air for 370bhp with a remap and the standard injectors and fuel pump. Uprated the fuel pump to a Bosch motorsport item and the injectors to 440cc capacity squirters and your looking at 450bhp with a suitable remap.

For the magic 500bhp 600cc injectors are required, hybrid K04s, tubular or ported original manifolds, thicker head gasket and a 3inch bore exhaust. The RS4 has uprated internals over the S4 but it is believed the S4 internals are hugely over engineered anyway, the RS4 internals are overkill.

The exhaust manifolds have push fit pipes inside them which can come loose and rattle. Manifolds are not expensive due to many owners upgrading to tubular items, its the labour that costs here, 950GBP of it. Its a good opportunity to upgrade the turbo and change the cambelts while your doing the manifolds.


S4 Tuning - Transmission

Civil engineering more than automotive engineering went on in this area. The standard box is good for 650bhp just change the oil every 100k or 3 years to keep it fresh. If there is any area that can be found wanting its the clutch. 370bhp is the standard clutch's limit. Fortunately the RS4 clutch is a straight swap and this can hold 500bhp with no problems. The clutch can be changed when your changing the turbos.


http://www.strikeengine.com/audi-tuning/s4-tuning-buying-guide.html


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Vaatan siin S4 2.7 tuuningut Dahlbäck'i poolt:

Max. power 348 hp (256 kW) vid 5000 r/min
Max. torque 392 lb-ft vid 4000 r/min

Changes
New E-proms in ECU, stainless steel exhaust (turbo-back) with race-cats, modification of air filter housing.

Uurisin MTM'i lehte, kus max jõuga paketi kohta annab umbes sama numbri. Ja ma saan aru, et soft on sama nii ~220kW kui selle ~250kW puhul. Seega kui mul on kodukootud kativaba vl ja 232kW soft, siis võib vabalt olla seal ka 250kW? Või peaks väljalaskes midagi veel tegema? Teiseks, mida minuarust pole biturbo teemas veel räägitud, on " modification of air filter housing". Mida, kuidas täpsemalt, on keegi teinud, on mingit efekti?


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Sellised huvitavad tähelepanekud:

Performance upgrade AUDI RS4 510 hp (375kW)
quattro w exhaust, manifolds, turbos, adjust
0-100 km/h 4,0 s 4,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI RS4 490 hp (361kW)
quattro w exhaust, manifolds, turbos, adjustment
0-100 km/h 4,1 s 4,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI RS4 476 hp (350kW)
quattro w exhaust sys from turbo, turbo, adjust
0-100 km/h 4,2 s 4,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI RS4 458 hp (337kW)
quattro w exhaust sys from turbo
0-100 km/h 4,1 s 4,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI RS4 428 hp (315 kW)
quattro w middle/rear silencer
0-100 km/h 4,4 s 4,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI RS4 420 hp (309kW)
quattro
0-100 km/h 4,1 4,9 s

MTM RS4

Kuivõrd tõsiselt neid andmeid võtta võib aga vähemasti RS4 puhul tundub, et originaal vilesid ei ole mõtet vahetada. Kui pannagi RS6 hübriidid, siis spool on 300-500 rpm hiljem aga nullist sajani on auto ainult 0.1 sek? kiirem. Ja seda ka ilmselt launchides, tühikäiguga kohalt minnes oleks ilmselt aeglasem kui stock viledega.


Performance upgrade AUDI S4 306 hp (225 kW)
0-100 km/h 5,2 s 5,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI S4 320 hp (236 kW)
incl. middle and rear silencer
0-100 km/h 5,1 s 5,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI S4 345 hp (254 kW)
incl. exhaust system, MTM downpipes and catalysts
0-100 km/h 4,7 s 5,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI S4 370 hp (273 kW)
incl. exhaust turbo back, turbo, injectors, adjust
0-100 km/h 4,7 s 5,9 s

Performance upgrade AUDI S4 420 hp (309 kW)
Like 370 HP version with additional cast- exhaustmanifold and machined cylinder head
0-100 km/h 4,6 s 5,9 s

MTM S4


Mõned lingid:
MRC RS4
MRC S4


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Performance upgrade AUDI S4 345 hp (254 kW)
incl. exhaust system, MTM downpipes and catalysts
0-100 km/h 4,7 s 5,9 s

Need numbrid tunduvad ikka liiga positiivsed, mis stock turbodega välja saab meelitada :P


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Need numbrid tunduvad ikka liiga positiivsed, mis stock turbodega välja saab meelitada :P

Miks sa nii arvad? St, mis selleks takistused seab sinu arvates?


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Dahlback Racing reports it hits over 295whp from the stock K03s when using its 3" downpipes with 100-cell cats, specific software and RS4 intercoolers. The kit retails for $3495 and includes all hardware, but you'll need a cat-back as well. Keep in mind you'll also probably need a new clutch, which Dahlback has for $2100, including disc, pressure plate and single steel flywheel.

http://www.turbo-owners.com/forum/general-tech/1151-audi-s4-tuning-guide-tech.html


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Dahlback Racing reports it hits over 295whp from the stock K03s when using its 3" downpipes with 100-cell cats, specific software and RS4 intercoolers. The kit retails for $3495 and includes all hardware, but you'll need a cat-back as well. Keep in mind you'll also probably need a new clutch, which Dahlback has for $2100, including disc, pressure plate and single steel flywheel.

http://www.turbo-owners.com/forum/general-tech/1151-audi-s4-tuning-guide-tech.html

Ilmselt see variant moditud:

Max. power 348 hp (256 kW) vid 5000 r/min
Max. torque 392 lb-ft vid 4000 r/min

Changes New E-proms in ECU, stainless steel exhaust (turbo-back) with race-cats, modification of air filter housing. Note! Cars with Tiptronic also require a software upgrade for the transmission 165 EUR+VAT.

Price incl. installation 3757 EUR excl. VAT

http://www.dahlbackracing.se/english/main.asp


WHP stands for wheel horsepower. The factory rating does not include the losss of power throught the transmission or the differential but this does. It is what you get when you put your car on a chasis dyno. It is what your car is atually putting to the road.


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stock DPOs will always struggle to get more than 400- 430 ish



Mikse
Summa summarum:

If you have S4 engine you are limited to 530hp no matter how big turbos you go. The biggest (and the best option) turbo you should go is RS6.

With that you´ll need:

- better intake
- whole fuel system
- bigger exhaust, DPs and catback
- bigger ICs

You Don´t need:

- bigger inlet pipes
- bigger bipipes
- exhaust manifolds
- intake manifold
- meth

All parts above has been proven to flow more than S4 heads/cams

I know the list is very much simplified but thats basically it.

Sure there´s a lot of parts need to keep the power inside the engine like rods and you also need better clutch, maybe even better brakes:)


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502BHP saavutati sellise seadega S4-al:

Custom K04s - Ported & clearanced IIRC
Tubular manifolds ceramic coated
3" downpipes -> 2.75IN Catback
RS4 MAF, Y-Pipe
2001.5 intake manifold
FMIC & large intake pipes
630cc injectors & 044 pump
RS6 EGTs
LWFW
RS4 gearbox
MRC Clutch


Põhimõttelist porditud RS4 turbod, torukollektorid, kolm tolli väljalase (kattide tagant põhja alt 2.75"), RS4 õhulugeja koos Y-toruga, uuem sisselaskekollektor, üks suur vahejahuti koos suuremate sisselaske torudega, 630cc pihustid ja 044 pump.

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Aga ülemist postitust lugeda, siis selles nimekirjas on üleliigsed nii sisselaske- kui väljalaskekollektorid ja suuremad sisselaske torud.


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Vaatan Dahlbäck'i lehte ja seal on A6 2,7 kohta sellised huvitavad andmed:


Audi A6 2.7 biturbo (230/250 hp std)

Max. power 312 hp (230 kW) vid 5500 r/min Max. torque 387 lb-ft vid 2800 r/min
Changes
New E-proms in ECU, some electrical parts, adjustment.
Note! Cars with Tiptronic also require a software upgrade for the transmission 165 EUR+VAT.
Price incl. installation 582 EUR excl. VAT
Note The software maintains full functionality in terms of diagnostics, engine protection and fault code memory. On cars with Tiptronic the ECU in the gear box is replaced and the torque is limited to 420 Nm.

Max. power 330 hp (243 kW) Max. torque 390 lb-ft
Changes
New E-proms in ECU, optimization of the flow to the intercooler, cat-back exhaust. Note! Cars with Tiptronic also require a software upgrade for the transmission 165 EUR+VAT.
Price incl. installation 2037 EUR excl. VAT
Note The software maintains full functionality in terms of diagnostics, engine protection and fault code memory. On cars with Tiptronic the ECU in the gear box is replaced and the torque is limited to 420 Nm.

Max. power 360 hp (265 kW) Max. torque 401 lb-ft
Changes
New E-proms in ECU, stainless steel exhaust (turbo-back) with racecats, installing bigger intercoolers, optimization of flow to intercoolers, modification of air filter housing.

Price incl. installation
5772 EUR excl. VAT
Note The software maintains full functionality in terms of diagnostics, engine protection and fault code memory. Only for cars with manual gearbox. On cars with Tiptronic the ECU in the gear box is replaced and the torque is limited to 420 Nm.



Ehk siis ilma kütuse, turbode vahetuseta on maksimum võimsus 265 kw. Ja nagu ma siin teemas viitasin, on S4-l ja A6-l on samad turbod. Ilmselt ka ülejäänud raud on sama. Seega idee kohaselt ei tohiks probleemi olla ka sama jõud S4-st välja võluda.


S4-l on Dahlbäck'i info kohaselt viimane enne vilede vahetust tuuning selline:

Max. power 348 hp (256 kW) vid 5000 r/min Max. torque 392 lb-ft vid 4000 r/min
Changes
New E-proms in ECU, stainless steel exhaust (turbo-back) with race-cats, modification of air filter housing.
Note! Cars with Tiptronic also require a software upgrade for the transmission 165 EUR+VAT.


Ehk siis A6-e nimekirjas on üks asi rohkem - turbode vahejahutid.


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postitati 05.03.11 16:10 Tsiteeri


265kw on väga hea number juba, enne turbode kallale minekut. Äkki on A6 coolerid väiksemad kui S4 omad? Otsisin korra võrdlust ka netist, aga ei näi olevat. RS4 originaal rauaga on ka võimalik upitada 500hj ja tsipake peale, mis on samuti väga hea tulemus võrreldes originaaliga.

MRC Tune
MTM Downpipes 100cell CATS and full exhaust
ERIC Intercoolers
Catch can
406 WHP = 390KW at the crank

Kirjutas üks inglismaa klubiline kui küsisin, mis ta RS-iga tehtud on. Muidugi siin juures on veel kindlasti parem bensiinipump ja pihustid, aga üleüldiselt väga palju jõudu arvestades, et auto on praktiliselt originaal :)


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postitati 11.04.11 18:41 Tsiteeri


Otsisin midagi muud aga jäi ka üks selline leht silma.
http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.php


Audi varuosad, http://foorum.audiclub.ee/viewthread.php?tid=181792 Autode ost/müük, hooldus ja remont Haapsalus, JanekCars OÜ
Best ET 12.08 :)
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