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postitati 07.04.15 09:02
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Bose® Active Sound Management (ASM) Technology
LINK
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=179604658738690
Active Sound Management: different technologies to meet different challenges
Cancel undesirable noise
Bose Engine Harmonic Cancellation (EHC) uses information from the engine along with microphones in the cabin to continuously analyze engine noise.
The system then uses the vehicle's audio system to produce a signal acoustically opposite to the undesirable sound and effectively reduce it.
EHC allows for a high level of customization and control for the NVH engineer, while providing effective and efficient noise cancellation.
Image of EHE chart
Provide desirable, linear sound
Bose Engine Harmonic Enhancement (EHE) also works with the vehicle's audio system. Using information from the engine and vehicle, it generates a
complementary signal to enhance or modify the spectrum of select powertrain sounds, to provide refined and desirable—smooth or sporty—powertrain sound
inside the cabin. EHE can help create more linear sound while mitigating or masking sound anomalies. It offers broader sound control than traditional
methods and enables more precise control.
Control for multiple modes
Rapid Mode Transition (RMT) module is an optional, add-on feature for Bose EHC or EHE that provides additional capabilities for managing complex noise
challenges associated with variable powertrain and cabin modes. When multiple tuning modes are required to achieve a desired powertrain sound
character (cylinder deactivation/reactivation, hybrid operation, etc.), the transitions between modes may require special control. The Bose RMT module
offers additional control parameters to the engineer for a more seamless sound experience.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1089316_bose-to-offer-noise-canceling-tech-for-all-cars
Dec 24, 2013
Many performance car fans are rather fond of the noises their vehicles make, but there are times when you just wish a car would shut up--the drive
home after a long day at work, perhaps, or while listening to the drone of your muffler on a highway drive.
For such eventualities several companies have developed noise-canceling technology, and audio specialists Bose have announced a new chip that allows
the technology to be incorporated into any vehicle--not just those with Bose audio systems.
According to Autoblog, a new NXP semiconductor chip allows all manner of systems to be incorporated into AM, FM and DAB tuners. As well as running the
various features of modern in-car infotainment packages, it can also run Bose's noise-canceling technology. Active noise canceling has the
ability to take the wavelength of unwanted sounds such as engine and powertrain noise and play back noise at opposite frequencies--so those inside the
car enjoy reduced noise over those frequencies. That doesn't just mean loud noises from your exhaust, but unpleasant sounds associated with engines
meeting modern emissions and fuel standards, with unusual harmonics and other odd sounds.
The system does rely on your vehicle's audio equipment working at the frequencies required by the technology, and your audio head unit must
incorporate the appropriate NXP SAF775x car radio integrated circuit. But aside from those limitations, it should work in anything. Until now, the
system was only available in models from Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and Infiniti, which used original equipment sound systems by Bose.
The company also says the sounds are programmed for each vehicle, which means a whole range of vehicles could get the option of a quieter, more
pleasant cabin.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/22/bose-noise-cancelling-in-new-cars/
Bose® Active Sound Management Software for Noise Cancellation in Cars Now Available on Chip from NXP Semiconductors
FRAMINGHAM, Mass., December 17, 2013 --(BUSINESS WIRE)--Today, Bose announced it will offer its industry-leading noise-management capabilities to auto
manufacturers as a software solution integrated on a chip from NXP Semiconductors N.V. Through an engineering collaboration with NXP, vehicles without
Bose® speakers and amplifiers can now use Bose Active Sound Management technology to cancel unwanted engine and powertrain noise in a car's cabin.
The Bose software solution will operate in any vehicle using a head unit equipped with NXP's SAF775x car radio integrated circuit, and any sound
system that performs in the frequency range necessary for active noise cancellation.
The Bose/NXP solution provides an easy, efficient approach for controlling engine and powertrain noise by using existing sound system designs and
eliminating the weight and cost of traditional noise management. The Bose noise-cancellation software is customizable; Bose engineers will tune it to
the manufacturer's requirements, providing comprehensive, scalable support for the technology during vehicle development, pre-production and
post-production.
"Bose is an industry leader in Active Sound Management technology, helping car makers efficiently control the way their vehicles sound inside the
cabin," said Marc Mansell, general manager of the Bose Automotive Systems Division. "Now, we can offer that capability to new customers in a new way
-- on a chip -- making our proven expertise even more accessible."
"The new SAF775x family of car radio and audio one-chips opens up a new field of audio applications," said Torsten Lehmann, senior vice president
and general manager, car entertainment solutions, NXP Semiconductors. "We're proud to bring the benefits of Bose noise management to our broad base
of automotive customers and further strengthen our No. 1 position in the automotive infotainment semiconductor market."
Solving Noise-Related Challenges
Many of today's cars have a variety of systems and components, including high-performance and high-efficiency powertrains that produce unfamiliar and
unpleasant sounds. To address this, automotive engineers need to create solutions that will refine the sound in the cabin. But this adds time and cost
to the development cycle.
Bose developed Active Sound Management technology as an alternate approach, drawing from more than 30 years of research in automotive acoustics and
noise cancelling for aviation, military and consumer applications. Unlike conventional noise-management systems that rely on mechanical solutions,
Bose Active Sound Management uses proprietary signal processing algorithms to replace heavy, space-consuming parts, such as acoustic insulation, mass
dampers and active exhaust valves.
But until now, Active Sound Management was only available in cars with Bose sound system hardware, including models from Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet
and Infiniti. The Bose/NXP solution extends the technology capabilities to a wider range of car makers and models.
Targeted Noise Cancellation
Bose Active Sound Management targets a narrow band of low-frequency engine sounds in zones throughout the cabin.
Using information from cabin-mounted microphones and engine information from the vehicle's data bus communication system, a Bose algorithm
continuously monitors and measures noise, and sends acoustically opposite sound signals through the vehicle's speakers to cancel targeted noise. The
system is programmed specifically for each vehicle, responding only when needed.
For more information about Bose Active Sound Management solutions, visit Bose.com/ASM.
08.04.15.a info Bose'lt: .. the only Audi currently available with EHC is the A7. There will be more EHC equipped Audi models in the future but
the A7, several Cadillac's, an Infiniti and a Mazda vehicle are the only models on the market at this point in time.
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torque addict / in the real world four wheel drive means safety and traction
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Maku
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postitati 07.04.15 20:51
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Dirigent Nikolai Aleksejev
http://www.audi.ee/content/dam/ngw/ee/Audi-magazin/audi%20AM%202014%20web.pdf
Kas Bang ja Olufson kuulub endiselt Teie soovitud lisavarustuse hulka?
Kuulus eelmiste mudelite juurde, kuid just viimati Peterburist Tallinnasse sõites kuulasin oma A7-s olevat Bose audiosüsteemist (Bose Surround Sound,
14 kõlarit, võimsus 600 W - autor) muusikat ja pean ütlema, et mingit kvaliteedivahet B&O-ga ma küll ei täheldanud. Ma pole mingi melomaan, kuulan
muusikat täiesti töisel eesmärgil, nii et minu jaoks ei mängi brändi nimi nime enda pärast mingit rolli.
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torque addict / in the real world four wheel drive means safety and traction
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ragnara
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Registreerunud 23.03.12
Asukoht: Kuressaare
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: A4 b9 2.0TDI Quattro
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postitati 02.05.15 19:25
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Kas b5 sedaanis on supakas taga pagassis koopas või aknalaual ka midagi? Kuidas üldse sedaani bose heli annab, siiani tundunud, et avantides on heli
alati parem olnud, kuna näiteks bass ei taha seal sedaani pagassist salongi jõuda.
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mariusv
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Registreerunud 09.04.12
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: A6 C4 TDI QUATTRO
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postitati 22.11.15 21:33
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C4 Avant Bose, kas on võimalik lihtsa vaevaga lisada taha üks suurema diameetriga subwoofer, lihtsuse all pean silmas seda, et heli signaalid saab
originaal subboxist? Vool plaanis Webasto akult võtta, seega ainus küsimus ongi, kas helisignaalid saab tagant?
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atsss
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postitati 21.01.16 08:23
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Kas keegi a6 c5 avantile bose supakat on peale toppinud. Mul on järelturu jvc sisse topitud ja plaan oleks bose supakas sisse toppida. Keegi oskab
öelda kui keeruliseks see võib osutuda? Mul on bose juhtmestik ka olemas. Väga ei viitsi talvel kogu juhtmestiku vahetama hakata. Üldiselt nii palju
kui pihta sain on see et supakalw vaja + ja - vedada ja orig. systeemist peilisin välja et kasutatakse tagumiste kõlarite kanaleid supakale sisendiks.
Hea kui keegi viitsiks parandada mind.
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mariusv
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Registreerunud 09.04.12
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: A6 C4 TDI QUATTRO
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postitati 30.10.16 14:40
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C4 Bose Avant wiring diagrammid on vist aegunud sellel lingil, kas keegi saaks jagada ?
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Maku
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postitati 27.01.18 06:29
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Bang &
Olufsen vs stock Bose.
I bought the 2013 S6 and didn't go with the B/O, and have been quite disappointed with the Bose system. It is a noticeable step down from my 2004
S4 Bose system, believe it or not.
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I own a Mercedes sl55 that has Hertz speaker, JL amps, JL subs etc and the latest Kenwood receiver. I spent over 6k on this system.
I also have a Mercedes GL with all Focal, and JL equipment in it.
I just bought a 2011 A8L. It does have the B&O in it. Now when I seen the cost (6300) I said I would never pay for that. However, of course I will
take it in a CPO car. My point is that this is the clearest most clearly separated system I have ever heard. With the exception of Bass, this system
definitely sounds better than my other two vehicles.
I have worked at a high end shop in Center City Philadelphia, and have been involved with many installations. I also had my current two systems
installed by a well know South Jersey installer. Just stating this as I am no newbie to high end equipment in vehicles.
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For the price of the B&O upgrade the entire Bose system can be replaced with high-end aftermarket gear and yield results that are tremendously
better.
There is no such thing as a good factory stereo. They simply don't exist. Not at any price point.
Your description of the qualities of the B&O system clearly illustrates that you have extensive knowledge and understanding of high-end audio. You
would be a perfect candidate for having an aftermarket, sound-quality oriented system.
The things you are craving like dynamics, imaging, staging, proper tonality will never be had in a factory stereo system. You need quality components,
proper installation and sound dampening to get good results.
You also made excellent points about the speaker positions and sound localization. Many car companies market their stereo systems by the number of
speakers installed. Having more speakers often makes for inferior imaging and staging, especially when the speaker locations are not laid out
correctly and there is not proper processing/equalization.
Having a tweeter on the dash inside of a motorized pod, and the matching midrange in the door is a recipe for disaster. A tweeter and midrange should
be installed as closely together as possible. Preferably, they should be point source where the tweeter and mid are centered with their voice coils
perfectly aligned so they are phase coherent through the full crossover range. If not point source, they must be installed no more than about 7"
apart. Time alignment will be required to get the drivers in phase, and that time alignment will only work for a single listening position (i.e. the
driver seat). Other listening positions will be adversely affected by the time alignment.
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Audi S6 Avant 4.0 TFSI V8T 439kW
Autole paigaldatud uus prof. helisüsteem (Rockfrod võimendi, Rockford Punch element originaalkasti sisse ja lisaks sai välja vahetatud
ebakvaliteetsed hiina Bose elemendid ustest + tweeterid).
Sama protseduuri käigus said paigaldatud ustesse ka mürasummutusmatid.
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Jann
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Auto: C7 Allroad BIT, ABARTH, BR 175.
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postitati 27.07.21 10:36
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Kuna muusika pole väga minu teema, siis küsiks ka nõu vahelduseks nõustamisele.
C7 Bose juhiukse midbass kõlar hakkas plärtsuma peale Saaremaa memmedega tantsu löömist. Vahetus lihtne, kate eest, neli kruvi, kaks klemmi ja käes.
Eraldi muidugi Audi elementi ei müü ja seega mõte asendada millegi paremaga. Kindlasti peab mahtuma orig. auku, kuna polstrit ja kõlarikoda eemaldada
ei taha. On keegi sinna midagi sobitanud?
Selline pilt ka
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OOOO, VW, Seat, Skoda DIAGNOSTIKA, OSTUABI (võimalik üle Eesti), kodeerimine, (de)aktiveerimine, aut. kastide adaptsioonid, DPF, õhkvedrustuse mured
jne. (Litsentsiga orig. Ross-Tech PRO V2 seade + uusim tarkvara VCDS 24.7.1 + pikk kogemus). 2g, HN+, MHI2, MHI2Q uuendused, NAVI 2025, VIM, SpeedCam,
Carplay, Android Auto aktiv. jne. Läbitud kilomeetreid ei muuda. U2U või 55547002.
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masuurik
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Registreerunud 05.03.12
Asukoht: Tallinn
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Auto: Porsche Panamera Turbo S
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postitati 27.07.21 11:14
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Ma arvan effekti pole oem vs uus, kui ainult neid keskmisi vahetad. Peaks vahetama ehk ka asukohti, võimendust, madalaid ja ülemisi.
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Jann
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Registreerunud 07.08.05
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Auto: C7 Allroad BIT, ABARTH, BR 175.
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postitati 27.07.21 13:47
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| Tsitaat: | Algselt postitas: masuurik
Ma arvan effekti pole oem vs uus, kui ainult neid keskmisi vahetad. Peaks vahetama ehk ka asukohti, võimendust, madalaid ja ülemisi.
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No need seal ongi ustes olevad madalad, all suure katte taga. Vahetaks ainult esiuste alumised, totaalset ümberehitust kindlasti ei viitsi teha. OEM
vahetus on 2 minutit, eks panen selle kui muud head mõtet ei tule.
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OOOO, VW, Seat, Skoda DIAGNOSTIKA, OSTUABI (võimalik üle Eesti), kodeerimine, (de)aktiveerimine, aut. kastide adaptsioonid, DPF, õhkvedrustuse mured
jne. (Litsentsiga orig. Ross-Tech PRO V2 seade + uusim tarkvara VCDS 24.7.1 + pikk kogemus). 2g, HN+, MHI2, MHI2Q uuendused, NAVI 2025, VIM, SpeedCam,
Carplay, Android Auto aktiv. jne. Läbitud kilomeetreid ei muuda. U2U või 55547002.
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Mustanq
klubiliige
Registreerunud 10.10.11
Asukoht: Tallinn
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: Audi S7 (C7.5) 4.0TT
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postitati 27.07.21 21:11
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OEM hinda tead? Endal läks ka hiljuti (kõrvalistuja poolne). Või kui asenduse leiad, võid teada anda 
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Puidu tööstuslik viimistlus. Color It OÜ.
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80quattro
klubiliige
Registreerunud 13.05.03
Asukoht: Mõisa
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: Audi A4 B9 Allroad quattro; Audi Q3; Audi 100 C3
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postitati 28.07.21 06:29
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| Tsitaat: | Algselt postitas: Mustanq
OEM hinda tead? Endal läks ka hiljuti (kõrvalistuja poolne). Või kui asenduse leiad, võid teada anda |
Komplektne koos kastiga: Bose Vasak , parem pool siis 4G0035298
A7 siis teised koodid: 4G8035297A ja 4G8035298A
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Amadeus
klubiliige
Registreerunud 08.10.02
Asukoht: Tartumaa
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: C7q
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postitati 07.08.21 10:44
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No need seal ongi ustes olevad madalad, all suure katte taga. Vahetaks ainult esiuste alumised, totaalset ümberehitust kindlasti ei viitsi teha. OEM
vahetus on 2 minutit, eks panen selle kui muud head mõtet ei tule. |
Mulle tundub, et sinna kasti "plug n play" midagi paremat sisse ei mahu. Ilmselt on sul mõistlik järelturult Bose elemendid soetada. Igaks juhuks
kontrolli üle, kas elemendi tolmukate on kenasti liimiga membraanil kinni. Netiavarustest on silma jäänud, kus serv lahti ja tekitab sellist
plärtsuvat lisaheli.
Natuke korralikum BOSE C7.5 ümberehitus + kuidas polstrid maha saab:
https://youtu.be/NuNQC5veqz4?list=PLWT4GlgPgFYpWGTMEHVwae5zYA3TjUo3R&t=413
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Wer im sommer schon am winter denkt, der sicherlich ein quattro lenkt!
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Jann
huviline
Registreerunud 07.08.05
Asukoht: Viljandi
Kasutaja on eemal
Auto: C7 Allroad BIT, ABARTH, BR 175.
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postitati 07.08.21 11:08
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| Tsitaat: | Algselt postitas: Amadeus
| Tsitaat: | Algselt postitas: Jann
No need seal ongi ustes olevad madalad, all suure katte taga. Vahetaks ainult esiuste alumised, totaalset ümberehitust kindlasti ei viitsi teha. OEM
vahetus on 2 minutit, eks panen selle kui muud head mõtet ei tule. |
Mulle tundub, et sinna kasti "plug n play" midagi paremat sisse ei mahu. Ilmselt on sul mõistlik järelturult Bose elemendid soetada. Igaks juhuks
kontrolli üle, kas elemendi tolmukate on kenasti liimiga membraanil kinni. Netiavarustest on silma jäänud, kus serv lahti ja tekitab sellist
plärtsuvat lisaheli.
Natuke korralikum BOSE C7.5 ümberehitus + kuidas polstrid maha saab:
https://youtu.be/NuNQC5veqz4?list=PLWT4GlgPgFYpWGTMEHVwae5zYA3TjUo3R&t=413 |
Panin siiski orig. elemendi katkise asemele ja korras. Asi tehtav u. paari minutiga, polstrit eemaldada pole vaja.
Et sinna midagi sobivat ja paremat sobitada eeldab katsetusi ja melomaani kõrvu, olgu pealegi..
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OOOO, VW, Seat, Skoda DIAGNOSTIKA, OSTUABI (võimalik üle Eesti), kodeerimine, (de)aktiveerimine, aut. kastide adaptsioonid, DPF, õhkvedrustuse mured
jne. (Litsentsiga orig. Ross-Tech PRO V2 seade + uusim tarkvara VCDS 24.7.1 + pikk kogemus). 2g, HN+, MHI2, MHI2Q uuendused, NAVI 2025, VIM, SpeedCam,
Carplay, Android Auto aktiv. jne. Läbitud kilomeetreid ei muuda. U2U või 55547002.
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